Comrade Alastair

Pro-worker/Anti-Capitalist

How revolutionaries choose their political priorities

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How we choose our political priorities

How we intervene in bourgeois elections

A study guide

Workers Party platform
1. Opposition to all New Zealand and Western imperialist intervention in the Third World and all Western imperialist alliances.

2. Secure jobs for all with a living wage and a shorter working week.

3. For the unrestricted right of workers to organise and take industrial action and no limits on workers’ freedom of speech and activity.

4. For working class unity and solidarity – equality for women, Maori and other ethnic minorities and people of all sexual orientations and identities; open borders and full rights for migrant workers.

5. For a working people’s republic

I have become more and more convinced – and the thing now is to drum this conviction into the English working class – that they will never be able to do anything decisive here in England before they separate their attitude towards Ireland quite definitely from that of the ruling classes, and not only make common cause with the Irish, but even take the initiative in dissolving the Union established in 1801, and substituting a free federal relationship for it. And this must be done not out of sympathy for Ireland, but as a demand based on the interests of the English proletariat. If not, the English people will remain bound to the leading-strings of the ruling classes, because they will be forced to make a common front with them against Ireland.

- Marx to Kugelmann, November 29, 1869

The way I shall express the matter next Tuesday is: that, quite apart from all ‘international’ and ‘humane’ phrases about Justice for Ireland – which are taken for granted on the International Council – it is in the direct and absolute interests of the English working class to get rid of their present connexion with Ireland. I am fully convinced of this, for reasons that, in part, I cannot tell the English workers themselves. For a long time I believed it would be possible to overthrow the Irish regime by English working class ascendancy. I always took this viewpoint in the New-York Tribune. Deeper study has now convinced me of the opposite. The English working class will never accomplish anything before it has got rid of Ireland. The lever must be applied in Ireland. This is why the Irish question is so important for the social movement in general.

- Marx to Engels, December 10, 1869

Over 130 years ago, Marx (and Engels) made the point that the key to the British revolution was the national-revolutionary struggle in Ireland. Central to this was their idea that as long as British workers went along with their own ruling class’s policy of oppressing Ireland British workers would never reach revolutionary consciousness and never seriously threaten the dominance of the British ruling class in Britain itself no matter how splendidly organised they were in trade unions or how militant they were in demanding wage rises.

The centrality of political questions to the class struggle should be well-established by now, but it is often not well-understood on the far left. Or, where lip-service is paid to it, little is done in practice and/or the political issues which are chosen are weak in class content and don’t raise fundamental questions about the system or really open up opportunities for such questions to be raised.

One of the things that characterised the two currents which came together to form the ACA and subsequently the RWL – ie the original WP and revolution groups – was that both understood the primacy of politics and political questions over narrow economic issues and that the key political questions were those which served to raise the level of consciousness of workers to an anti-capitalist one, fostered unity of all the oppressed, sharpened class contradictions and involved key elements of the system (ie therefore opened up the possibilities of challenges to the system as a whole).

A good example of this is the question of imperialism. Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism. The developed capitalist countries cannot be other than imperialist; imperialism is part of their life-blood. It is a necessary condition of capitalism in the most developed capitalist countries. Therefore anti-imperialism directly challenges the ability of the ruling classes in the most developed capitalist countries to function and maintain their system. Since imperialist ruling classes require the ideology of nationalism and the use of divide-and-rule – eg dividing the workers of the imperialist world from the workers of the world exploited by imperialism – it is vital to confront imperialist nationalism in countries like New Zealand. If this is not done, the workers remain trapped in a framework of supporting their own ruling class against other (more oppressed) workers – and workers who line up behind their own exploiters against other workers will never seriously challenge their own ruling classes and the system of capitalist exploitation.

Struggles over wages and conditions – while important – do not in and of themselves contain or raise an anti-capitalist consciousness. This is because struggles over wages and conditions, no matter how hard they are fought, are struggles over the terms on which exploitation shall continue – not over the existence of exploitation itself. Workers in imperialist countries can wage extremely militant struggles for pay rises or in defence of working conditions without at all becoming anti-imperialist. Male workers can be very militant around pay and conditions while maintaining all kinds of backward views about the position of women. White workers can be very militant around the same issues while maintaining all kinds of backward views in relation to workers of colour.

However, workers in the imperialist world who champion the rights of the oppressed peoples of the Third World as against the First World workers’ own rulers have begun to seriously break with a key ideological prop of the system. They are not only showing solidarity with workers abroad but they are showing that they understand – or are beginning to – that they are part of an international class with common interests rather than part of a First World nation with common interests with their own rulers.

Similarly, workers who support full equality for women, for oppressed ethnic and national minorities (or majorities), gay people, immigrants and so on are breaking with their own exploiters and understanding that “us” doesn’t mean the company and the nation but the exploited and oppressed. The class is starting to develop an awareness of itself as a class and think and act as a class – a class for itself as against the exploiting class and the state and ideology of the exploiting class.

All of this helps explain why internationalism is the number one point in the platform of the WP and why solidarity with the oppressed within New Zealand in another key platform point (point 4).

Points 2 and 3 of our platform point to key economic issues but go beyond simple calls for wage rises and wage militancy. Capitalism today, despite all its fiddling with figures, is unable to provide full employment with wages from one regular 40-hour a week job to keep a working class family. So our demand for jobs for all with a living wage – and for us it is workers who determine what that wage is not government commissions or what employers say they can afford – challenges the system, as does our call for a shorter working week. At the same time, the simple demand for a shorter work-week probably needs amending because, as Jared pointed out some time ago, for many workers the existing work-week is actually too short and there is a lack of regular or guaranteed hours. But our fundamental point is that workers have the right to a living income and stable, guaranteed work that is less than 40 hours a week. Since capitalism today cannot guarantee this, fighting for these things does enable an anti-capitalist critique to be developed. However, it has to be consciously developed – it certainly won’t happen spontaneously. This requires a lot of careful, patient work on our part because we also cannot force the rate at which such consciousness develops.

Point three is a highly political point because it is really about class consciousness – the class acting as a class – and it is about challenging the state as well as employers. The more involved we have gotten in workers’ struggles the more we have found all kinds of restrictions on workers’ freedom of action and speech. Yet it’s impossible for class politics in the real sense of the word to develop or be developed without the maximum freedom of speech and debate among workers and without workers being able to act as a class in pursuance of their interests – whether that be solidarity strikes with other workers or political strikes in support of the oppressed here and abroad or against some state policy.

In order for workers to develop real class consciousness workers have to have their own world view – an alternative view to the capitalists on every issue from imperialist war to boy racers, from gay rights to university funding, from abortion to immigration, from drugs to smacking, from domestic violence to electoral finance. And workers have to be able to act collectively around any/all of these issues, whether the collective action be in the form of marches, occupations, strikes, street fighting with the state or whatever else.

The crowning point is the struggle for an alternative society – in the case of our five-point platform we called it “a working people’s republic”. The question of power, of which class rules, is something that we try to inject into struggles – again, not artificially, but in a timely and creative way. But it is vital that we try to raise the fundamental issue of power rather than simply end up, like much of the left, as single-issue campaigners instead of revolutionaries.

At the time we chose the phrase “working people’s republic” there was a bit of discussion occurring in NZ around the idea of NZ becoming a republic. We tried to relate to that by giving the notion of a republic a specific class content – a working class content. We counterpose a republic in which the working class rules as opposed to a republic in which the capitalists continue to rule.

Now I want to look at some more specific examples of how we would go about prioritising certain issues and how this differs from much of the rest of the left, in particular from SW and ISO who are the most serious alternatives to us on the far left within NZ (eg we can discount the Bedggood group and the IBT as irrelevant now).

ISO basically tail-ends the existing level of consciousness and does through the mechanism of single-issue campaigns. In the last elections they ran a Stop Brash propaganda campaign which, in effect, meant supporting Labour without coming out openly and saying so. SW called for a vote for the Greens, presumably on the basis that a significant section of liberal-progressive types would vote Green and they wanted to be where those people were as those people were regarded as SW’s main potential recruitment milieu. In other words, both SW and ISO, who pride themselves on ‘non-sectarianism’, took positions predicated on totally sectarian grounds – how do we recruit by putting ourselves in the same place as the greatest number of people who might be a bit left of centre?

That they should do this in the elections is no surprise, because they do it all year round anyway.

By contrast, our current – and supposedly we are ultraleft sectarians – never does anything in terms of campaigning on the basis of where the most people and the most potential recruits are.

Rather, we prioritise what we understand to be key political questions – that is, questions our class needs to get right if it is even to ever seriously challenge the ruling class let alone overthrow them and questions which go to the heart of the system (ie which are essential to the maintenance of capitalism), thereby allowing a clear class line to be drawn, one which assists the working class becoming a class for itself and challenging and overthrowing the system.

The main issue that I’ve talked about in this light is anti-imperialism, and I want us to spend most of the discussion looking at what other key questions are and why these particular questions are ones which our class needs to get right and which questions are not so key.

Break into pairs to discuss:

OPEN BORDERS

FIGHTING ISLAMOPHOBIA

FREE BUSES

VOTING LABOUR

PROTECTIONISM

SAVE HAPPY VALLEY

CLIMATE CHANGE

Some key questions to consider:

In the concrete context of NZ society today, is this issue of vital importance to how the ruling class rules? Is it vital to the existence of capitalism and raise the question of the maintenance of the capitalist system itself? Does it allow for class divisions to be brought out? Does the working class need to get this question right in order to fight effectively for its own interests as a class?

Broader question/s:

Given our small size how do we prioritise from among the priority issues and how do we effectively campaign around them? How does our approach differ from that of SW? From other groups on the left?

Elections

Why do we run in bourgeois elections? What issues do we highlight and why? How does our approach differ to that of RAM-SW, ISO and the Alliance? How does it differ from the left sectlets? (which by now includes ISO and SW)

- PF, 14/7/08, reworked from a Retreat 2007 study

Model Answers

Open Borders raises key political issues. Capitalists and the capitalist state require control of immigration for two key reasons – one is that their power over the movement of workers helps them dictate wages and working conditions; the other is that immigration policies encourage cross-class nationalism over class identity and thus bind workers of each nation more closely to their own exploiters. So immigration controls have economic and ideological-political functions that are fundamental to the maintenance of capitalist stability. Workers who are won to open borders are developing real class consciousness, beginning to see themselves as members of an international class rather than as primarily sharing a national identity with their exploiters. This is far more advanced than just fighting for a few cents more an hour. At the same time, how we fight around this is vital – for instance, we pose it as an issue of workers’ rights and class solidarity issue not as a humanitarian or moral issue like “No human being is illegal” or exceptionalist arguments around individual cases, which is how many on the left argue the issue.

Fighting Islamophobia is, in the concrete context of New Zealand today, engaging in shadow-boxing and mystification. The NZ ruling class is not on a big anti-Islamic campaign; indeed, multiculturalism is the dominant form of cultural politics pursued by NZ capital today. Moreover, the way to fight prejudice against Muslims and Arabs is to fight Western imperialist intervention and uncover its economic and political motivations, not mystify the process by resort to religious categories. This particular case was one where Socialist Worker wanted to tap into the “Galloway factor” to open up a big audience for them in NZ and were prepared to pretend Islamophobia was a problem, something that diverted attention away from real issues like immigration controls and imperialist invasions.

Free buses – this is something that we would support and would be worth raising in local election campaigns. To some extent it challenges the profits-first basis of capitalism, but how much it challenges the system depends on how the issue is raised and how it is fought for. For instance, a working class campaign for transport to be paid for by the capitalists would be genuinely radical, whereas trying to get together a multi-class “community” campaign, complete with big name stars, and promoting how it would be good for everyone is useless. Of course, there is no way the capitalists would fund free public transport, so it does have some potential for pointing to the need for a different kind of society.

Voting Labour is one of the measures of the lack of class consciousness in NZ. Labour is vital for the maintenance of capitalism and capitalist stability. In the imperialist world, ruling classes can afford to have two (or more) main parties and alternate between them, providing the appearance of some genuine democratic choice in the political realm. The attachment of unions to Labour historically has worked to subordinate workers’ interests to those of the capitalists and the state. Workers who see through Labour or, in the case of young workers today, have never had any attachment to Labour, are more likely to be rebellious, prepare to take industrial action and be more open to a radical alternative to the existing society. Workers still tied to Labour are still tied organisationally and ideologically to capital.

Protectionism – this is a vital issue because workers who support protectionism and other forms of economic nationalism are identifying with their own exploiters rather than with fellow workers in other parts of the world, especially the Third World which is usually on the receiving end of protectionist measures in the developed capitalist countries. Workers who can be won to opposing protectionist and other economic nationalist measures are starting to break with the very ideology that ties them to their exploiters.

Save Happy Valley is not a priority issue for revolutionaries. In fact, the publicity of the existing campaign often seems to prioritise snails over workers’ rights to jobs. While Marxists are not in favour of environmental destruction and the destruction of snail types, people who choose to campaign primarily around these types of issues often express the misanthropic ideology of capitalism. People are bad and do bad stuff like mine coal. Snails are superior. Campaigns like SHV do not in any way challenge any fundamentals of capitalism and are often more about personal satisfaction for the participants than any sort of progressive politics.

Climate change is a more difficult one. If human-made climate change really does threaten the safety of the planet and the existence of humanity, then it would have at least the potential to raise fundamental questions about capitalism – for instance, what is being produced and how. On the other hand, some people argue that climate change is being ‘talked up’ and this is a result of pessimistic and anti-humanist times rather than of a real threat to our existence. Another problem is that the ‘solutions’ being put forward by the climate change campaigners are generally anti-working class: they rely on cutting the consumption of workers in the developed capitalist world and constraining economic development and consumption in the rest of the world. Some on the far left have jumped on the climate change bandwagon on a greenie-type basis because they have lowest common denominator politics and just want to try to connect with large number so people on that basis. At present, then, climate change campaigns have little capacity to raise fundamental issues about capitalism and so are not a priority for us.

Given our small size how do we prioritise from among the priority issues and how do we effectively campaign around them? How does our approach differ from that of SW, and from other groups on the left?

We prioritise issues that, whether they may be ‘popular’ or not at any one time are essential for developing independent working class consciousness, politics and organisation. We look at the key ways in which the ruling class hegemonises the working class and we aim to break those links because unless that is done there won’t be a serious challenge to capitalism. Even the most militant struggles for pay rises are still struggles about the conditions under which workers will continue to be exploited. And workers who struggle militantly for more pay can still hold onto backward views which work against their own class interests and the interests of other workers and oppressed sections of society. So, generally, big political issues are more important than economic issues. Precisely because of the political importance of these issues to ruling class hegemony, they will be the hardest issues to campaign around. Typically, they are issues such as anti-imperialism and hostility to NZ nationalism in all its forms, open borders, full equality for currently oppressed sections of society, anti-Labour politics.

We also have a distinct way of campaigning around these:

* we orient primarily to workers
* we don’t accept liberal single-issue politics, but argue for politics and forms of activity that challenge the system and its defenders (an example of this would be where various left forces in Wellington pursued a liberal approach around defending multiculturalism and hostility to the NF and we went into the campaign and argued that the whole ruling class agrees with that and we needed to challenge the people and system fundamental to racism and that meant that open borders should be a key slogan)

Our approach is educational, but we also try as much as possible to give our political alternative an organisational expression. In the antiwar movement, we didn’t just build the existing coalitions but were instrumental in developing an anti-imperialist pole within the wider movement.

By contrast, SW continually lowers it politics to make its appeal “wider”. In fact, by lowering its politics in this way it increasingly operates within the political-ideological framework of liberal capitalist politics, so what’s the point? Moreover, even when this adaptationism yields recruits, it is very temporary. Groups that build on sand disintegrate when things get hard and hard questions can’t be avoided.

Why do we run in bourgeois elections? What issues do we highlight and why? How does our approach differ to that of RAM-SW, ISO and the Alliance? How does it differ from the left sectlets? (Which by now includes ISO and RAM/SW!)

There are several main reasons why we run in capitalist elections.

* elections are a time of heightened political discussion and running in the elections allows us a platform and wider audience for our revolutionary ideas
* we try as much as we can to provide an organisational form for our politics; for instance, challenging Labour isn’t just a literary task, it means we have to challenge them in election campaigns as well as in our paper and everywhere else
* the specific form of electoral politics in NZ creates additional opportunities for us that were not there under the old FPP system, so it is even more important to run

Our approach differs from RAM and the Alliance because we are not trying to say things with the objective of getting elected or appealing to a mass audience. What we say may well only appeal to 1 or 2 percent of the population, or less, because we are not living in revolutionary times but in a period of mass passivity and political retreat/downturn. We identify our audience as primarily the advanced workers and we want to take them a step further although, of course, part of what we say will hopefully appeal to a wider audience. But we are not trying to move politically to where the masses are; we are trying to win whatever small section of people can be won at present to revolutionary ideas. This means we also don’t pretend that the things we stand for – even something apparently basic like Abolish GST – can be delivered by capitalism. RAM-SW and the Alliance act and speak as if current policies were simply some kind of mistake and there are alternative policies within the framework of capitalism that could work better for everyone. We argue that economic and political policies pursued by successive governments – and the wider state apparatus – do actually represent the interests of capital and they are not stupid, accidental or mistaken, but necessary expressions of the needs of capital.

The left sectlets generally do not run. Some put out leftist rhetoric and then call for a vote for Labour, ie a vote for a capitalist party. Some demonise National in such a way that it really amounts to support for Labour, although they may call for a vote for the Greens. Others play down the importance of elections, don’t run, don’t call on their members or anyone else to vote for revolutionaries like the WP – generally this expresses their own political and organisational inability to pose any alternative to the parties of capital and possibly their fear that they’d end up embracing opportunism if they intervened in bourgeois elections.

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  1. Hi Alastair,

    I just wanted to note that I’m in RAM, and am not a member of SW. Indeed, my ideological background has never even pretended to be revolutionary – nor has RAM as a party for that matter. RAM is not Socialist Worker, and the vast bulk of our 3000+ members are not Socialist Worker members.

    I’m proud to draw my apparently unsophisticated ideological influences from folk like Bruce Jesson, Doctor W.B. Sutch, Friedrich List, Marx + Engels, Ha Joon Chang, George Grant, Brian Easton, John Ralston Saul and many others. But they’re all blue-blooded capitalist banditry/running dogs, right?

    Kindest regards,
    Oliver Woods

    P.S. Best of luck in your party’s opportunistic participation in this year’s bourgeois elections. Admittedly my good luck is not purely altruistic: I’d rather the WP campaigning than trying to spark prairie fires with sickles and stones in the Waikato!

    Oliver Woods

    July 22, 2008 at 1:14 pm

  2. Gidday Oliver,

    “I just wanted to note that I’m in RAM, and am not a member of SW.”

    I never claimed otherwise.

    “Indeed, my ideological background has never even pretended to be revolutionary – nor has RAM as a party for that matter.”

    You’re making my point for me – neither you nor RAM are ideologically and politically opposed to the capitalist system and all it’s horrors, and you deludedly think that capitalism, a system based on the exploitation of the many by the few, can somehow be either made “better” for the oppressed working people, or can somehow be reformed out of existence without any resistance by the capitalist class and it’s armed thugs in the police and military.

    Both ideas are deluded, and by endorsing you as a candidate and RAM as a front group SW is abandoning it’s own revolutionary socialist roots.

    “RAM is not Socialist Worker, and the vast bulk of our 3000+ members are not Socialist Worker members. ”

    Socialist Worker essentially does not exist any more in any concrete manner outside of RAM, and RAM’s activist base and leadership core features a heavy presence by SW. I don’t know the exact details of the balance of power between the SWers, the bourgeois liberals, the greenies, the ever-so-slightly-left of Labour types and so on, but it’s obvious that RAM has been dominated from the beginning by members of Socialist Worker. The leader of RAM is also the leader of SW, a mere coincidence I take it?

    And you do not have 3000 active members. No political party in NZ can lay claim to that. You have 3000 PAPER members. In terms of actual activists who are willing to campaign for RAM as an organisation, I doubt that you and SW together have many more than the Workers Party.

    “I’m proud to draw my apparently unsophisticated ideological influences from folk like Bruce Jesson, Doctor W.B. Sutch, Friedrich List, Marx + Engels, Ha Joon Chang, George Grant, Brian Easton, John Ralston Saul and many others. But they’re all blue-blooded capitalist banditry/running dogs, right? ”

    Well Marx and Engels sure aren’t. The rest are mostly a mish-mash of nationalism, protectionism, and liberalism, who for all their opposition to the WTO and the IMF do not put forward an actual alternative, instead suggesting that the problem is not with the capitalist system itself and the concentration of the means of production in private hands, but instead with the fact that developing nations have to accept unfair Free Trade Agreements (which they do, but there’s more to the world’s problems than that).

    “Best of luck in your party’s opportunistic participation in this year’s bourgeois elections.”

    When using words you do not understand it’s generally best to double check their meaning in a dictionary before making use of them.

    http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/o/p.htm

    Opportunism – Changing one’s political position in order to exploit certain circumstances for personal gain.

    The Workers Party’s approach to elections is the complete oppositve of this. We consciously raise slogans and put forward politics that will NOT win us large numbers of votes, but which instead are part of an attempt to win support for our revolutionary socialist ideas and recruit people to our organisation. We use the elections to challenge the system and the bourgeois candidates on a pro-worker, anti-capitalist basis.

    RAM/SW does the complete opposite. You have moderated and watered down you’re politics to the point where they’re largely indistinguishable from those of the Greens (justifying taking GST off food by the fact that rising prices for other commodities will pick up the slack is a prime example!), for the purpose of attracting liberal votes. What’s the point in being elected on a liberal platform, and thus being restricted to acting within a liberal framework? How does that challenge capitalism in any real way? Why do you not WANT to challenge capitalism?

    “I’d rather the WP campaigning than trying to spark prairie fires with sickles and stones in the Waikato!”

    Well it was a bit damp in the Ureweras.

    comradealastair

    July 22, 2008 at 2:02 pm

  3. Hi Alastair,

    Cheers for your response. I was going to respond earlier on tonight but had to leave my computer for a few hours – I’m back now!

    I’ll reasonably methodically respond to the points you raised above:

    1) RAM is reformist. That’s something that I’m proud to say. We want to make life better for people in the immediate term, whereas the Workers Party want to make life better for people in the longer term.

    2) RAM is not a Socialist Worker front group. Front groups are based on deception, which RAM is certainly not. RAM’s leadership is not dominated by Socialist Worker, with the bulk of our people not being from a SW background. In terms of our activist base, it’s the same – we’re a broad formation with a very large number of activists relative to our membership.

    True, RAM’s leader is Grant Morgan. And Socialist Worker were the main initiators of RAM back in the early 2000s. Since then, however, a lot has changed. If you look at the election candidates in the local body elections in 2007, you can most clearly see the huge influx of non-SW people (indeed non-SW candidates were the majority).

    This has been even more notable with our party’s expansion onto the national scale – with people all over New Zealand becoming our organisers and activists, many of whom with backgrounds with no political parties, others in existant ones, and a few from SW.

    3) Your use of the word ‘liberal’ is very confusing. What do you mean by ‘liberal’? Do you mean people who want more individual rights, like classical liberals, or are you talking about social liberals?

    4) Clearly you haven’t read Ha Joon Chang, George Grant et al. Being a nationalist doesn’t make one like capitalism, bro. Resist such simplistic, Manichean dichotomies. Of couunfettered rse, if Maoist movements in China, Peru, Nepal and/or India behave in an avowedly nationalist fashion, they’re clearly not counted, right?

    5) I don’t want to challenge capitalism in a revolutionary manner, nor do the rest of RAM, because that is not how change is brought. Like Nelson Mandela realised during his captivity, attributed somewhat by him to becoming more of a gardener, he realised that change has to come from the grassroots (quite literally) and slowly for it to be meaningful and positive.

    I don’t want to radically restructure society in the course of a few years That’s a careless, childish way of looking at the world. It’s the way that people like Roger Douglas, and virtually every other radical tyrant in history has behaved.

    Wouldn’t it be better to have a society where everyone has well-paying jobs, where everyone has access to good education, first class healthcare, warm and safe homes and can live in peace and harmony? It’s achievable under the current system, and I’d sure as hell prefer that to getting my hands chopped off under Camino Luminoso style anarcho-communism.

    Kindest regards,
    Oliver Woods

    Oliver Woods

    July 23, 2008 at 12:45 pm

  4. “1) RAM is reformist. That’s something that I’m proud to say. We want to make life better for people in the immediate term, whereas the Workers Party want to make life better for people in the longer term. ”

    RAM aims to try and manage capitalism, throwing a few crumbs to the working class while not touching the oppressive, inhuman system of exploitation that capitalism is and always will be. RAM has no plans to end this insanity – instead, it aims to try and give it a friendlier face.

    The Workers Party aims to improve the lives of working-class people both in the short term AND in the long term. We fight for reforms in the here and now, but we always tie these reforms into our call for a fundamentally better world. Our goal is to radicalise the working class, to try and convey to workers the fact that they are a class with specific interests that are hostile to those of their bosses – RAM and it’s bourgeois representatives, such as yourself, put forward the line that workers and capitalist bosses have common interests, so long as the capitalist bosses are New Zealanders! That’s the meaning of you’re nationalism, Oliver – that New Zealand workers have common interests with their exploiters.

    “2) RAM is not a Socialist Worker front group. Front groups are based on deception, which RAM is certainly not. RAM’s leadership is not dominated by Socialist Worker, with the bulk of our people not being from a SW background. In terms of our activist base, it’s the same – we’re a broad formation with a very large number of activists relative to our membership. ”

    I don’t think RAM is a SW front group in that sense, that was a poor choice of wording on my part. What I meant was that SW had effectively dissolved itself into the centreist, liberal politics of RAM in an effort to win more votes (opportunism), and has abandoned revolutionary socialism both in word and in deed. SW doesn’t show it’s face to the world any more – it hides behind that of RAM.

    In terms of activists relative to membership, I think you may be over promoting yourself there. I don’t know of any RAM activists in Dunedin, and I havn’t heard of any in Christchurch either. A handful of people tried to set up a group called VAN in Upper Hutt (I think it was there) during the last mayoral elections, but that bombed pretty dismally, winning less votes than the openly revolutionary WP candidate, Nick Kelly, despite it’s watered down liberal politics.

    I’ve only EVER heard of RAM having a serious presence in Auckland. Do you have information to the contrary?

    “True, RAM’s leader is Grant Morgan. And Socialist Worker were the main initiators of RAM back in the early 2000s. Since then, however, a lot has changed. If you look at the election candidates in the local body elections in 2007, you can most clearly see the huge influx of non-SW people (indeed non-SW candidates were the majority). ”

    That does lend support to my theory that RAM remains at the very least heavily influenced by SW members. And it also strengthens my argument that SW is no longer operating as a revolutionary socialist organisation in any real sense, and has instead opted to take part in RAM’s middle of the road bourgeois politics.

    “3) Your use of the word ‘liberal’ is very confusing. What do you mean by ‘liberal’? Do you mean people who want more individual rights, like classical liberals, or are you talking about social liberals?”

    When I use the word liberal, I’m referring to people who support social liberalism and perhaps a degree of social-democracy (e.g. throwing the working class the scraps that fall down from capitalisms overflowing table), but who have no intention of challenging the rule of the capitalist class and struggling for a working-class seizure of power. That sums RAM up pretty accurately.

    “4) Clearly you haven’t read Ha Joon Chang, George Grant et al. Being a nationalist doesn’t make one like capitalism, bro. Resist such simplistic, Manichean dichotomies. Of couunfettered rse, if Maoist movements in China, Peru, Nepal and/or India behave in an avowedly nationalist fashion, they’re clearly not counted, right?”

    I havn’t read any of them, no. But a quick bit of research into George Grant revealed that he’s a right-wing conservative Christian who strongly opposes abortion. Unless I’ve got the wrong guy, I find it somewhat disturbing that you uphold the ideas of this guy.

    A point you seem incapable of grasping is the difference between a First World, junior imperialist nation like New Zealand and a Third World neo-colony like China in 1949, and Peru, Nepal and India today. In the context of an oppressed nation, which is exploited by foreign imperialism and from whose people super-profits are extracted, nationalism is a progressive phenomenon. It is progressive because it aims to drive out foreign imperialism and liberate it’s people, and in doing so deals a blow to the global capitalist system (every Third World country liberated means less places for imperialism to extract super-profits from, meaning less money to bribe a section of the First World working class with, meaning greater revolutionary feelings in the First World proletariat).

    In the context of an imperialist country like New Zealand, whose ruling class is invading and oppressing other countries from Afghanistan to the Soloman Islands and East Timor, and whose capitalist class is investing capital in Third World countries and extracting super-profits from them to create an artificially high standard of living based on the exploitation of the ne-colonial masses, NATIONALISM MEANS BACKING UP YOUR OWN RULING CLASS AND IT’S IMPERIALIST POLICIES. New Zealand is not oppressed and exploited by foreign capital and foreign military forces – we have no “foreign imperialist devils” to throw out of our country. THE ONLY ENEMY WE HAVE IN NEW ZEALAND IS OUR OWN RULING CLASS. You’re bourgeois nationalism in practice means nothing more than telling the NZ working class to support it’s home grown exploiters, rather than seeking solidarity with it’s class brothers and sisters abroad. I doubt this is you’re intention Oliver, but in practice this is what you’re nationalism means.

    “5) I don’t want to challenge capitalism in a revolutionary manner, nor do the rest of RAM, because that is not how change is brought. Like Nelson Mandela realised during his captivity, attributed somewhat by him to becoming more of a gardener, he realised that change has to come from the grassroots (quite literally) and slowly for it to be meaningful and positive.”

    You can either challenge capitalism in a revolutionary manner or you cannot challenge it at all – no other options. A book by Rose Luxembourg, a German revolutionary socialist murdered by Social-Democrats, would be worth a read, it’s called “Reform or Revolution”. Try out Lenin’s “State and Revolution” while you’re at it, both books deal with this subject in great and very convincing depth.

    Explain to me exactly how you’re going to abolish capitalism, and thus eliminate the capitalists as a class, without them putting up a fight and utilising their state apparatus (e.g. the pigs and the military) to prevent this? The capitalist class has a sweet deal under the current arrangement, they’re not going to like the idea of giving that up, and what you’re asking them to do is quietly commit suicide as a class. You would do well to read up a bit about this guy – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

    And di you seriously just use Nelson Mandela and the policies of the ANC following the fall of race-based apartheid as a POSITIVE example? Are you nuts? Send an email to John Minto, and ask him to give you some material about the effect the ANC’s neoliberal policies have had on the working masses of South Africa. I thought RAM was opposed to neo-liberalism?!?

    ‘I don’t want to radically restructure society in the course of a few years That’s a careless, childish way of looking at the world. It’s the way that people like Roger Douglas, and virtually every other radical tyrant in history has behaved. ”

    It will take more than a few years to radically restructure society on a socialist basis. But what you propose is that we do not radically restructure society at all – instead, we throw some crumbs to the workers while leaving the capitalists in political and economic control of society.

    The example of Roger Douglas has absolutely no relevance to the question of socialist revolution versus liberal reformism. The problem with Rogernomics was not that it was carried out too fast, but that it was a ruthless attack on the NZ working class! Are you saying you would not have opposed Rogernomics had it been introduced gradually?!?

    And the term “radical tyrant” is meaningless – it could mean anyone from Alexander the Great to Saddam Hussein. Use conrete examples, not vague and meaningless terms.

    “Wouldn’t it be better to have a society where everyone has well-paying jobs, where everyone has access to good education, first class healthcare, warm and safe homes and can live in peace and harmony? It’s achievable under the current system…”

    I sure would, and we’ll introduce all of that and more under socialism. It is not possible under capitalism – these forms of welfare are funded when capitalism is ina boom period and has money to spare (as was the case from the years following world war 2 up until the late 70s and early 80s). The moment capitalism enters a downturn, it cuts back on these programs and attacks the living standards of the working class in an effort to safeguard it’s profit margins.

    And why exactly are you calling for people to live in “peace and harmony” in the context of capitalism, a system based on the oppression and exploitation of the working class majority by the priviliged minority? Are you seriously calling for the working class to not only find common ground with their exploiters, but to live in “peace and harmony” with them?!? The capitalists and the workers are CLASS ENEMIES, and the mission of the working class is to overthrow and destroy the capitalist class in order to usher in a new society based on it’s own rule. Why do you oppose this?

    “… and I’d sure as hell prefer that to getting my hands chopped off under Camino Luminoso style anarcho-communism.”

    If you’re referring to the Communist Party of Peru, please supply me with a shred of evidence that supports you’re claim that the PCP chopped off people’s hands. Blood Diamon was set in Sierra Leone, not Peru – didn;t you notice the distinct lack of mountains and alpacas?

    The WP currently does not have a Department for Dismemberment, but I’m sure we’ll set one up as soon as we can. Because after all, that’s what revolutionaries do right…

    Best wishes,

    Alastair Reith.

    comradealastair

    July 24, 2008 at 8:45 am


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